Hispanic vote wanes for Obama, and some interesting notes on a growth in percentage of minorities who call themselves conservative but not Republican

The headline reads: With Hispanic support for Obama waning, could Latino vote be up for grabs in 2012?

A recent poll conducted by ” Resurgent Republic, a conservative-aligned group, shows Obama under-performing his 2008 totals in key swing states with large Hispanic populations. In Florida, where Obama won 57 percent of the Latino vote in 2008, 48 percent of Hispanics say he deserves a second term. Ditto in New Mexico, where Obama carried Latinos with 69 percent but now sees just 58 percent of that voting bloc willing to say he should be reelected. (Worth noting: In Colorado, Obama’s numbers have held steady among Hispanics.) Those numbers pose two important questions relating to the president’s 2012 prospects: What explains the drop-off among Hispanics? And is it possible that Latinos could be up for grabs in 2012? Read it here.

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September 20, 2011 Tonight live at 8PM PT:  Tonight on Gadfly Radio, Ben Boychuk of CA City Journal joins me as we talk with John Seiler of CalWatchDog.com, Angelo M. Codevilla, professor emeritus of international relations at Boston University, Senior Fellow with The Clarmont Institute and author most recently of “The Ruling Class” and “Advice to War Presidents.”
Tom Donalson is the President of America’s PAC and America’s Majority.  He works to carry on the work compiled by the late Richard Nadler, a contributor to American Spectator and NRO as well as the founder and President of America’s Majority up until his passing in May of 2009.

Why have Latino voters abandoned the Republican Party in CA in such dramatic numbers?  The GOP cannot win and has no future in CA unless it wins over a significant number of Latino voters.  What is the problem?  What is the solution? Does it matter? 


Our program focuses mainly on CA politics, policy, business and jobs.   This past weekend, the CA GOP had its fall convention in the heart of Los Angeles, in a redevelopment zone called LA Live.   Ron Paul stole the thunder in the Presidential Straw Poll, and Michelle Bachmann fared worse than Perry and Romney  in the same poll even though she was the keynote speaker on Friday night at the Convention.

The State of CA is close to being fully dominated by the Democratic Party.   Republicans cling to a thread of power but have to fight the redisticting maps to hold on.   Their numbers of support among Latinos is at an all time low.

Juliet Williams reported in the Washington Examiner:

GOP registration has been sliding for years, with Republicans now accounting for 31 percent of registered voters, compared to 44 percent for Democrats and about 20 percent for independents.
Any strategy to revive that registration cannot succeed without persuading Hispanics, who comprise a third of the California electorate.  Click here to read more.

In June of 2010, the WSJ reported Hispanic Voters Drift From GOP:

Among California Latinos who registered between the 2002 and 2006 midterm elections, 23% were Republican, 50% were Democrats and 23% declined to state. More recently, GOP affiliation among Latinos has begun to slip. For those who registered since the 2006 midterm vote, only 16% are Republicans, 56% are Democrats and 24% declined to state an affiliation. For non-Latino voters, the figures are 24% Republican, 44% Democrat and 26% independent since 2006. 

Back in May of 2009, Alan Hoffenblum who has been a  guest on this program, wrote about the CA GOP’s shrinking base in this piece called California’s Republican Legislators — a White Males’ Club.   In it, he cited a recent poll by the CA branch of Public Opinion Strategies:

According to their research,voter registration among LATINO voters is 57% Democratic, 19% Republican, 20% Independent, and 4% other; among ASIAN voters, it is 30% Democratic, 29% Republican, 39% Independent, 2% other; and among BLACK voters, it is 83% Democratic, 8% Republican, 9% Independent.  

Angelo M. Codevilla wrote this piece  in June 2009,  and started a firestorm among Conservatives  around the message they send to Latinos. 

Recently, Mark Kerkorian engaged in debate  with Codevilla.  Here are few links to some of the writings back and forth: 

Not from the Onion May 6, 2011 4:43 P.M. By Mark Krikorian 
Response to Codevilla By Mark Krikorian, Posted on May 16, 2011 9:53 AM 

Perhaps the most ridiculous sentence ever written on immigration from the right: Were Americans once again to take citizenship seriously, to dismantle the welfare state’s bureaucratic and psychological culture of entitlement, to dismiss the image of themselves as white-gloved administrators, and to banish America’s drug culture, then Americans could safely stop worrying about our southern border. Yeah, and if there were less gravity we’d all run faster. 
Re: Not from the Onion May 9, 2011 2:58 P.M. By Angelo M. Codevilla 
Mark Krikorian writes that my article “Our Borders, Ourselves” “attempt[s] to undermine opposition” to one of our ruling class’s “most important tools,” namely “mass migration.” He charges that I want to “allow our nation to be crucified on the cross of unlimited immigration” and accuses me of “contempt for the actual people living in the actual United States of America who, whatever our manifold sins, would like to preserve whatever’s left of our country.”

 
I recently met a young man, in his early thirties, thin and tan and sporting aviator sunglasses with mirrored lenses.  He kept his hope alive by the encounters with people who bartered with him honestly, despite the many who cheat him of his pay for a hard day’s, week’s and even several weeks’ work.  He is an ‘llegal.’   He likes to read and write and study history in his spare time.  He sends money home to put his two sister through college and help his mother in the Central American Country he comes from.  

He  showed me a book he carries in his backpack, a tattered paperback called “Como Ganar Amigos E Influir Sobre las Personas” in Spanish. We know it in English as “How to Win Friends and Influence People” by Dale Carnegie.   He recommended it to me.  Said he knew he could be somebody someday. 

I know that book.  I’ve read it before.  It’s from one of our legendary U.S. Capitalists.  It’s  a primer in Capitalism.  You start with the customer is always right. You have something to offer, to sell. How are you communicating your message to your customers?   


We are in the business of ideas.  Our marketplace is broad and diverse.  Our fundamentals are fundamental and shape our success or our failure.   


Codevilla closed his article back in 2009 with this statement: 
“How Russians or Chinese or Indonesians feel about Americans, or how we feel about them, makes little difference simply because such peoples are neither neighbors nor relatives. But because Mexicans are at once close neighbors and relatives, our sentiments toward them and theirs toward us are of the greatest importance. When we make enemies of Mexicans, we foul our own nest.”

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Calif. GOP looks to Hispanic voters for revival | The Associated Press | News | Washington Examiner

Interesting read. I’m a skeptic, and have been so utterly disappointed in the Republican Party for all the reasons stated by DelBeccaro, Hector Barajas, University of California, Berkeley student Francisco Loayza, 20, treasurer of the Berkeley College Republicans group, in this article. And I agree with “Selena Sanchez, 27. The preschool teacher from Riverside came to the convention Saturday to support [Ron] Paul,…”

I believe Barajas is authentic in what he says he’s committed to accomplishing. I hope those whom he says are going to stay the course and support an on going program to court and recruit Latinos really do intend to continue their efforts and focus beyond the next election cycle, this time. May be they really really really mean it this time, about building a base of support among Hispanics in CA. It would mean building on core principles that make possible, a coalition big enough to stand up to the ruling class of public employee unions, big business and the politicians who serve them, and curry them favor at everyone’s expense.

Is the CA GOP going to respond to the concern and issue with Immigration Francisco Loayza articulates in the article, about compassion, and reform of the process for legal immigration status? Or does the GOP in CA intend to go around that issue and address other issues that are critical to Latinos? Education? Small Business issues–regulations, red tape, taxes? I heard public safety? Good. Will they stand up to the teachers’ union to support the parents who want their children to get a real shot at an education? Will they stand with the people of Fullerton, and other citizens from all around Orange County and Los Angeles County who are riveted around the case of Kelly Thomas, the Fullerton six, the Chief of Police, the three City Council members who are going face a recall, and the DA who has yet to make any statement other than that there is an investigation? Law enforcement is at a crossroads in CA. For Hispanics, it means a lot of people in prisons, and it’s vital that the public trust the integrity of our State’s law enforcement establishment.

Click here to read the article.

Majority of Young Hispanic Voters Favor Free Market, Low Taxes

According to a recent poll conducted by Generation Opportunity, a majority of young Hispanics believe that the federal government should cut spending and liberate the private sector. As Hispanics historically have voted Democrat and typically supported the Democrats’ non-social agendas, the results mark a significant change.

The Blaze notes: “The survey, with a reported margin of error +/- 4 points, reveals 57 percent of young Hispanics agree that “if taxes on business profits were reduced, companies would be more likely to hire.” Likewise, a staggering 70 percent of Hispanic young adults say they would “decrease” federal spending if given the chance to “set America’s fiscal priorities.”

The poll also reveals a number of additional elements:

Click here to read the article.

And here is another article on this same story: Young Hispanics skeptical of big government
By: Michael Barone | Senior Political Analyst Follow Him| 07/20/11 5:23 PM

An outfit called Generation Opportunity (which boasts 842,000 friends on its “Being American” Facebook page) commissioned an online poll of adults age 18 to 29 in April from the Polling Company/Woman Trend Inc. The most interesting results are from young Hispanics. They preferred “reducing federal spending” to “raising taxes on individuals” in order to “balance the federal budget” by 1 69%-27% margin. Of these young Hispanics, 57% agreed that “if taxes on business profits were reduced, companies would be more likely to hire” and 56% agreed that “the economy grows best when individuals are allowed to create businesses without government interference.” Click here to read the article.

GOP leaders: Anti-immigration stance hurts party

CORAL GABLES, Fla. (AP) — Republican speakers at a conference on reaching Hispanic voters urged the party to tone down its rhetoric on immigration and to take up comprehensive reform in Congress, warning that the party could lose ground with the country’s increasingly diverse citizenry if it doesn’t.

“(Hispanics) will be the swing voters as they are today in the swing states. If you want to elect a center-right president of the United States, it seems to me you should be concerned about places like New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Florida, Texas, places where but for the Hispanic vote, elections are won and lost,” said former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, who co-chaired the conference organized by the new Hispanic Leadership Network.

But those gathered at the South Florida conference seemed split over whether the GOP’s lack of Hispanic support is simply because of the party’s tone, or if there’s a more substantive problem with the GOP’s policies….Click here to read more.

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My comments submitted at Fox & Hound regarding Richard Rider’s Column titled: GOP failure in California

Dear Richard,
I thank you for calling out the GOP on their anti-Hispanic vitriol. It has become absurd how offensive and off-putting the political discourse around immigration has grown. Those most responsible engage in the tactic of dissembling and fallacy. They accuse anyone who calls them on the not-so-subtle message of outright contempt for Hispanic Immigrants as being FOR OPEN BORDERS! Elaborating on their fallacies, they justify their rancor with the qualifier: “Oh, but we don’t mind if you’re LEGAL. We just don’t want to allow ANY more immigration reform until the border is COMPLETELY SECURE, NO ONE is getting in here illegally…” You cheer at raids, ignoring the horror of the Elian Gonzalez episode in Florida and the fact it cost Gore the Presidency!

To hell with the agriculture industry in California! While we cry about all the lost jobs and the Jabba the Hut Government of California, our backbone industry in California, yes, the biggest industry of California, withers. The Republicans are responsible for killing it. They have eaten their own. It is barely alive. It is on life support. And it is the reddest of red zones in CA. For every illegal farm worker, four white collar jobs are supported. The marketing, sales, distribution, crop dusting, irrigation engineering and more, all dependent on the farmers being able to harvest their crops. We could help them secure the labor they need legally and realistically.

We could have taken out the congressional representatives and Barbara Boxer, who have been aiding the Obama administration kill the Central Valley, and our greatest economic industry in California, and maybe we could have rattled the Leftist controlled California Legislature that is doing to the Central Valley what Saddam Husein did the resistors who tried to escape persecution by hiding in the Arab marches, where the Tigris and Euphrates rivers meet.

Withstanding the fallacy that if one is for comprehensive reform that addresses the broken legal process of getting work permits and visas and yes, even legal citizenship, I would welcome, as would the majority of citizens who support rational comprehensive immigration reform, that in addition to the issues you suggest we pursue by ballot initiative by conservatives who want to advance limited government, that we add an initiative to require that we show legal valid I.D. to vote, that registration rolls be validated on a timely basis, and especially, that provisional ballots require a valid I.D.

All of this can be successfully argued for justly and courteously to all Californians, including our large Hispanic immigrant population, without offending their illegal friends, family and neighbors, in the name of honoring the integrity of every individual’s right to vote.

Mexico requires a valid I.D. It’s not a debated issue in Mexico. It’s common sense. The racial identity politicians who argue that it is racist to require ID play on White Guilt when they suggest it’s racist to require.

The secret to success in arguing for something that limits the power of government and protects our individual liberty and our vote to secure it is simple. Be nice. Be courteous, be inclusive and avoid castings aspersions at ethnic groups. Qualifiers about referring to illegal versus legal Hispanics do not fly. Click here to read more of Richard’s op-ed.

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GOP Failure in California

By Richard Rider
Chairman of the San Diego Tax Fighters
Wed, November 17th, 2010

Be it real or be it perception, the GOP’s perceived anti-immigrant (and especially anti-Hispanic) stance is losing (has lost) the minority vote in this state. The vociferous conservative element that puts essentially all blame for our problems on illegal immigrants projects itself as the GOP.

Some of the most popular right wing talk show hosts build their loyal (essentially all white) following with their Jihad against illegal Hispanics (mainly Mexicans).

Say what you will — this is PERCEIVED as anti-Hispanic. ALL Hispanics. Click here to read more of Richard’s op-ed.
Dear Richard,
I thank you for calling out the GOP on their anti-Hispanic vitriol. It has become absurd how offensive and off-putting the political discourse around immigration has grown. Those most responsible engage in the tactic of dissembling and fallacy. They accuse anyone who calls them on the not-so-subtle message of outright contempt for Hispanic Immigrants as being FOR OPEN BORDERS! Elaborating on their fallacies, they justify their rancor with the qualifier: “Oh, but we don’t mind if you’re LEGAL. We just don’t want to allow ANY more immigration reform until the border is COMPLETELY SECURE, NO ONE is getting in here illegally…” You cheer at raids, ignoring the horror of the Elian Gonzalez episode in Florida and the fact it cost Gore the Presidency!

To hell with the agriculture industry in California! While we cry about all the lost jobs and the Jabba the Hut Government of California, our backbone industry in California, yes, the biggest industry of California, withers. The Republicans are responsible for killing it. They have eaten their own. It is barely alive. It is on life support. And it is the reddest of red zones in CA. For every illegal farm worker, four white collar jobs are supported. The marketing, sales, distribution, crop dusting, irrigation engineering and more, all dependent on the farmers being able to harvest their crops. We could help them secure the labor they need legally and realistically.

We could have taken out the congressional representatives and Barbara Boxer, who have been aiding the Obama administration kill the Central Valley, and our greatest economic industry in California, and maybe we could have rattled the Leftist controlled California Legislature that is doing to the Central Valley what Saddam Husein did the resistors who tried to escape persecution by hiding in the Arab marches, where the Tigris and Euphrates rivers meet.

Withstanding the fallacy that if one is for comprehensive reform that addresses the broken legal process of getting work permits and visas and yes, even legal citizenship, I would welcome, as would the majority of citizens who support rational comprehensive immigration reform, that in addition to the issues you suggest we pursue by ballot initiative by conservatives who want to advance limited government, that we add an initiative to require that we show legal valid I.D. to vote, that registration rolls be validated on a timely basis, and especially, that provisional ballots require a valid I.D.

All of this can be successfully argued for justly and courteously to all Californians, including our large Hispanic immigrant population, without offending their illegal friends, family and neighbors, in the name of honoring the integrity of every individual’s right to vote.

Mexico requires a valid I.D. It’s not a debated issue in Mexico. It’s common sense. The racial identity politicians who argue that it is racist to require ID play on White Guilt when they suggest it’s racist to require.

The secret to success in arguing for something that limits the power of government and protects our individual liberty and our vote to secure it is simple. Be nice. Be courteous, be inclusive and avoid castings aspersions at ethnic groups. Qualifiers about referring to illegal versus legal Hispanics do not fly. Click here to read more of Richard’s op-ed.

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Steven Greenhut’s “State GOP verging on irrelevant” may be a great understatement. The Dems aren’t the only ones who’ve been in denial over the destructive course of their actions.

And it appears there is little sign of any large or significant aspect of epiphany. All the same, I believe and so, I cannot resign into cynicism. Hope you read it and move into a positive course of action.

Republicans have been amused by President Barack Obama’s thick-headed response to the Democratic Party’s electoral defeat. Despite near-historic gains for the GOP in the House of Representatives and significant GOP gains in the Senate and statehouses, Obama refused in his news conference Wednesday to pin the blame on his agenda, instead pointing to economic frustrations and a failure by his administration to adequately explain his policies.

Despite the president’s delusion, Democrats would be wise to engage in some soul-searching if they hope to reconnect with the public.

Republicans in California need to do some soul-searching of their own as they find themselves in a much deeper hole than the Obamaites. The Democrats eventually will regain some steam across the country, but Tuesday’s drubbing of the GOP in California suggests the state party might now be an irrelevancy. Click here to read the article

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“Demography will indeed be destiny if Republicans can’t broaden their reach” — columnist Ron Brownstein, writing in the National Journal

Quote of the Day II
“From 1992 to 2008, the share of the vote cast by African-Americans jumped from 8% to 13%. For Hispanics the share soared from 2% to 9%; for Asians and other minorities combined, from 2% to 5%. Meanwhile, the percentage of the vote cast by well-educated whites remained unchanged at 35%. The big losers were blue-collar whites — those without college degrees — whose share plummeted from 53% in 1992 to just 39% now. That’s a threat to the GOP because those culturally conservative, working-class whites are today its most reliable voters. . . . Demography will indeed be destiny if Republicans can’t broaden their reach” — columnist Ron Brownstein, writing in the National Journal. /WSJ Political Diary Quote of the Day 1-14-09

I’m Hispanic and I vote for limited govt. I want to spread the message, because it is about real empowerment, hope and opportunity

The GOP has lost ground with Hispanics.

In many ways, it’s a failure to communicate, a case of looking at the glass as half empty instead of half full. It will take Hispanics choosing to participate in mass in the Republican Party, for the Republican Party to win elections in CA and the Southwest. It is possible because of the principles articulated in the Republican Party’s platform, if only their was a will to communicate the message.

Hispanics want our children to be educated, and that means competition so that the best solutions and approaches can rise to the top.

Hispanic small business owners may decide that they’re tired of supporting Hispanic candidates, just because they’re Hispanic, and they talk about being for their communities, while they serve the special interests that act to restrict individual liberties, and abilities to start, run, grow, and prosper in a business.

We love the same things that non Hispanics love, our families, good food, wine, beer, a nice home, a car or two, vacations, financial security, and retirement with dignity and comfort. We don’t want to be any body’s fool, or tool, and we esteem honor. Culturally, there is no shame in working hard at honest work.

The majority of us believe in God and fear Him. Appeal to our sense of honor, of honesty, of justice, of dignity. Give us the benefit of the doubt that we will respond.

Don’t get hung up on our use of Spanish. It’s the language of our parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles. It’s the language of the songs written by the great romantics, including my favorites, Jose Alfredo Jimenez, Agustin Lara, Consuelo Velazquez, Armando Manzanero, and the interpreters like Lola Beltran, Javier Solis, Vicente Fernandez and his heart throb son, Alejandro. To me, the songs and their interpreters evoke that same feeling any American, young or old, worth his credentials, experiences when they hear Frank Sinatra, Hispanic Americans included. It’s the same sensation. Young, old, parents, grand parents, children, all know it, and are swept up my it. It’s an experience that unifies and transports, enchants, and soothes us. To understand the words is to understand the passion, sentiments, tenderness, romance and heart.

I am sad for all those who cannot understand the words to the love songs. It does not take away from my ability to also enjoy the magic of Frank and other American cultural icons that are not Hispanic. I am richer for it. I am sorry that my sons did not learn Spanish. Their father didn’t see the point, when they were young, but later, having grown to understand my family, he wishes he’d supported my desire to teach them both languages. I wish I had insisted.

They have an ear for the music. Every Thanksgiving and Christmas and any other extended family get together, that’s what they hear.

There are many funny words, good laughs and endearing moments tied into my memories of my parents and relatives, mixing up English with Spanish language. We have all kinds of malapropisms, and Spanglish words our parents made up. Many of my contemporaries have grown up to barely speak any Spanish anymore, but they understand it because it’s what our elders insisted on speaking with us. I’m glad they did.

Speaking Spanish does not have to be an impediment to us understanding principles of liberty or limited government. But communications from non Hispanics that evoke contempt, resentment, a lack of trust, a harsh judgemental tone, because we hold on to our Spanish language or we don’t move away from it fast enough–that is an impediment. It builds a wall and cuts off understanding.

Why would anyone want to listen to a message that is delivered, wrapped in anger and contempt? That type of message is adversarial, not unifying or inviting.

Principles of liberty and freedom, equality and limited government are enumerated The Declaration of Independence. “…we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, tht they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness…” These words ring true, whomever hears them and they translate as clearly as the Bible, which by the way, was not written in English–but thanks to scholars, we know we are reading the Word as it was intended to be read.

As a child on the playground in elementary school, when someone pushed their will around, I stood my ground with a phrase I learned in class: “This is a free country.” It was how I asserted my right to my turn on the swings or the foursquare court, or on the baseball field when the boys protested a girl on the field.

I wasn’t invited to join the Republican Party. I joined because I got that the party I had belonged to for 14 years, since I had registered to vote, was opposed to the principles I came to realize were fundamental to my family’s ability to live free, to prosper, self organize and not be punished for success, to compete.

I never stopped loving Los Panchos because I became a Republican. I was weaned on Spanish music. Linda Ronstadt, whose politics are not mine, sings those same songs magnificently, and she can’t claim that music for the Left. This music has a place in American culture. It’s almost like Jazz. It’s been a part of Hispanic American culture since before the Mexican states became U.S. states. The origins extend from Spain, to Cuba, to Mexico, but it evolved across the borders. There are regional sounds. Immigrants from Mexico, and Mexican Americans born in CA, Texas, New Mexico and Arizona were listening to Spanish music in the 1800’s, 10’s, 20’s 30’s, 40’s, 50’s, and 60’s, as they pursued the American dream. Today, the music is more international than ever before. It extends from Miami to Argentina and across the globe to Spain, and is enjoyed throughout the world.

It’s what we listened to on our record players at home, and at family celebrations, growing up in Los Angeles. Acknowledging and appreciating our cultural idiosyncrasies doesn’t take away from our ability to unify around our shared fundamental principles as conservative people.
Many of our sons serve in the military. We all participate in our labor force and business economy. I hope conservatives recognize the different flavors of conservatism inherent in our body politic. Hispanics don’t have to stop being Hispanic to embrace the party that thats for limited government, liberty, and our ability to pursue our dreams and goals.

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